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Posted 11/20/2008 7:19:14 PM


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I know nothing at all about gold fish but I would like to have some. Can I keep them in tanks or just ponds? Schooling or alone? What do I feed them? If in a tank, what size?

Basics please!

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Posted 11/20/2008 7:27:36 PM


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There are many different kinds of goldfish, and I'll have to refer you to someone with more goldie experience, like Princessotfu, to help pick the goldfish strain that's right for you.

How large of a tank are you willing to commit to these guys?  At minimun, a fancy goldfish requires 20 gallons.  More than that is necessary for more than one or for common goldfish which grow much larger.  You don't have to have a pond, but some goldie keepers prefer them.

Goldfish aren't considered schooling fish, but they do interact with each other and appreciate having others of their own kind around.

There are lots of different brands of goldfish food out there.  They'll do fine on high-quality products for goldfish and supplements of bloodworms, baby shrimp, brine shrimp, and fresh veggies.  They enjoy plants, to the extent that live plants in goldfish tanks can have a very hard time.  Correspondingly, vegetable matter is an important part of their diet, and commercial foods based around veggies are a good idea as a supplement. 

Also, never house goldfish with tropical fish.  Doing this hurts both types of fish involved and isn't a good idea at all.

Well, that's my spill on goldfish basics.  I'm sure others will give input as well, and don't hesitate with more questions! 

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Posted 11/20/2008 7:43:08 PM


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You may already know this.

Temperate water fish. In the 60's and lower 70's.

At least a 20 gallon long. I say long because the surface area is larger than that of a tall. It allows more gas exchange and to accomodate the larger proportions of goldfish.

Here's a good idea for veggies.

Grow Anacharis. Yes, it's plentiful, and if in the right conditions, perfect for feeding to goldies. Just leave them in your tropical tank, and when you have excess, just throw 'em in the tank and let the goldies feast.

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Posted 11/21/2008 7:12:44 AM


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I'll post this in the tidbit thread as well, but more surface area is not actually really necessary for goldies. The fancies are slow swimmers and don't need tons of length, and they don't require the extra oxygen exchange, particularly most people keep an air stone in the tank anyway.

You'll want to keep the fancy varieties, probably. The other ones, the feeders and carnival fish, grow to 12-18 inches easily and are only appropriate for very large tanks and ponds.

If you can decide on a tank size, we can help you figure out which types would be best. Different varieties will also have slightly different concerns as they grow older.

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Posted 11/21/2008 1:47:00 PM


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Well I don't have very much money to spend so what ever is the smallest kind. I can probably get another 10 gallon and maybe a 20 gallon for christmas. And what fish can be with it?

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Posted 11/21/2008 2:31:10 PM


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20 gallon is minimum for fancies, no less. Comets are out of the question here with your options so look around online. Orandas, moors, fan tails, etc

I think any small temperate fish can live with them. Princessotfu can give info on that.

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Posted 11/21/2008 4:00:28 PM


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 Just a word or two from someone thats been there

www.badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article46.html

1. Do NOT automatically trust your local fish store (LFS).

I almost wrote don't trust them, period. But that's unfair. There are knowledgeable and credible fish store owners and employees out there. They key is to weed through all those who don't know, don't know that they don't know or don't care that they don't know. So test your LFS with questions you know the answers to. (Can I put neon tetras with African mbuna? The answer had better be NO!) And take notes of the answers and compare them to what you find online generally and on this site specifically. You might also try asking the same questions to more than one employee. The knowledge within a store will vary considerably. Try to find the "veteran" or the one employee who already has a tank or fish similar to what you want. In other words, find the planted tank nut at that particular store if that is what you are interested in.

2. Don't start too small.

This assumes you have not yet bought your tank. Even if you have bought a tank, consider whether you might want to upgrade sooner rather than later. To many beginners, a 20 gallon seems manageable. And a 30 gallon tank seems gigantic. Trust me, it's not. Your eyes (for fish) will quickly get bigger than your tank. And it's easier to keep your water parameters steady with more water volume than less. Based on my own experience, I would consider a 40-something to 55 gallon tank a good beginner tank.

3. Inappropriate stocking.

This harkens back to the "can I keep an Oscar in my 10-gallon with a pleco and a school of neons?" This is where the poor LFS advice really comes into play. And this is where commonsense and online research comes in. Here is the single most important sentence to keep in mind when considering your stocking list: Not all fish can live together and not all fish should live together, and your desire for a particular fish will not overcome either of those. So, tetras need to be in schools, even if that means you have fewer types of different fish than you desire. Same for cories. Some fish cannot live with others of the same species not matter how much you want a school, as someone will end up dead. Some need open space. Some need plants and hidey-holes. Some need soft or hard water. Be kind to your fish and stock your tank appropriate to their needs. We want them to thrive, not survive. And if the welfare of your fish are not your highest priority when stocking, please walk away from this hobby and taking up golf.

4. Too many fish.

This is very much related to the above, but brings in the much maligned "one inch per gallon rule," which most long-time hobbyists hate. I understand it is not a hard and fast rule, but I have to say, as a beginner, it at least gave me some sense of a yardstick. One good approach is to run your stocking list by the experts in forums for advice. Another is to start stocking slowly and stop while your tank still looks uncrowded. Wait a bit, let the tank shake out, and then decide if you can add something else. Patience is a virtue.

5. Ignorance of cycling.

There really is no excuse for this. There is an abundance of information on this site about what the cycle is, why it is important, how to start it and when to know it's done. Anyone who throws a bunch of fish in a new tank with a "hey, some may die but that's OK" or "but I ran my filter for two days, what do you mean that's not enough?" should take up golf. See above. Cycling really isn't hard. It's about establishing good bacteria to "eat" the ammonia and the byproducts of that digestion so that your fish are in a healthy environment. And, no, clear water has no bearing on your cycle. The clearest water in the world may still be loaded with ammonia and kill your fish. Read up before you proceed.

6. Inappropriate testing.

In a nutshell, buy the liquid reagent testing kids. Many recommend API. Do NOT use the strips. They are too difficult to read and can lead you to making incorrect assumptions about your tank. Get accustomed to testing regularly, to begin with, for ammonia, nitrite and PH. Testing becomes less frequent as your tank becomes more established. But it's your responsibility to know what the parameters are and take action if they are "out of whack." Which also means you have to know what constitutes "out of whack." Once you are cycled, your ammonia and nitrite should read 0 and your nitrates should register as something. (Anyone with 0 nitrates has an uncycled tank or isn't doing the testing correctly.) The amount of nitrate you tolerate in your tank is open to lengthy and passionate debate. I personally do not let mine get above 20, usually more like 10. Some people prefer 5. Testing for PH leads me to No. 7

7. Using chemicals to adjust PH.

Ah, this was a hard one. I started out the queen of PH chemicals, but managed to learn my lesson without killing any of my fishies. In truth, PH can be somewhat confusing. Your fish have an optimum PH level, but many can tolerate both higher and lower levels, within reason. The best advice I got was to use your tap PH without modification, as long as it was appropriately buffered (had a KH of 3 or more) and thus would be relatively stable. If your PH is higher than you'd like for your fish (mine is), look into ways to add reverse osmosis water. I buy Drink More in big jugs and use is half and half with my tap to keep my PH around 7/7.2 in my community tank. I use it straight for my African tank, which is buffered with limestone and special coral substrate to push the PH up a bit. Everyone is happy.

8. Not changing water frequently enough.

There is some confusion about this among beginners as it seems that many LFS suggest very minimal water change schedules after the tank is cycled, perhaps to keep from scaring beginners away. I was told I only needed to do a 25 percent water change once a month. Instead, based on advice from here and elsewhere, I do 20-25 percent water changes twice a week. This forum is full of big supporters of frequent water changes. The statement I like the best is this: Freshwater fish like fresh water. Enough said.

9. Panicking over algae.

Yeah, just like sh*&, algae happens. A newly set-up tank seems to follow a pattern of algae, starting with a soft brown algae that caused me to panic but which really, in hindsight, was not a huge big deal. Yes, green spots will grow on the glass. Get one of those magnet thingees; they work great. There is a lot of information on algae, the different types and what to do about them here and elsewhere. My advice on the subject is not to panic. Do your research. There are some nice fish and shrimp that can help, and there are ways to balance nutrients and light to get it manageable. The subject is too lengthy for elaboration here, but suffice it to say, it'll happen and you'll deal with it.

10. Not planning for plants.

I have a planted community tank. I knew I wanted to go with a planted tank when I first set up the aquarium, but I was too overwhelmed with trying to care for the fish, that I didn't want to think about it yet. I bought a bunch of plastic plants and I figured it would take me a while before I got to real ones. Nope. I started planting within a few weeks of getting the tank cycled. (Anyone want a bunch of plastic plants??) I then had to cope with a substrate that wasn't conducive to plants. It can be done, but I would suggest that if you think you might do plants, invest in one of the substrates i.e. Flourite or others, and mix it in with your gravel from the onset. That way you are prepared. It's very difficult to add it later and you are constrained, to some extent, on the plants that will do well in your tank without it.

I hope this information is helpful to those of you starting in this hobby. It can be confusing at first, but it's also fun and interesting and, when all is said and done, profoundly satisfying. Good luck and happy fishies!

Rick


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Posted 11/21/2008 5:32:41 PM


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Hmm, Austin knows a good deal about fishkeeping already, but that post has a lot of good info in it for novice keepers.  It would come in handy for both members and the people who come to this place via internet searches on the topic.  The only thing I'd mention is that even though I personally prefer liquid reagent tests (LRTs), strip tests are still a viable option for hobbyists.  Some are of lesser quality and don't read as accurately, and they can expire and give incorrect readings, but this is true for liquid tests as well. 

The handy thing about strip tests is that they are easy.  For many novice keepers, convenience and ease of use are very important factors in their hobby - complicated chemical tests often "turn off" beginners, and this is the opposite of what we want.  By encouraging people to use the relatively easy strip tests, we ensure that they will get into the habit of checking their water quality and keeping records of the results.  And it's clear how important that is.

I also use strip tests for some values, like when I need a quick view of the nitrates in my tank without pulling out the more time-consuming liquid tests.  But when I do a full battery of tests, I use LRTs and strip tests in conjunction to get a more complete view of the water chemistry.

No matter what type of tests you use, just make sure they are high quality - even though the better tests can be more expensive.  And always mind the dates, since the chemicals won't be effective when they have expired.

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Yeah, once I first heard about testing my water I didn't understand what the tests were. I got nervous that I might not be a responsible fishkeeper. I even considered quitting because my fish were dying so often and I didn't know why. Then I saw a fishchannel ad AFI and asked about tests and water quality. They answered all my questions about it.

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Posted 11/22/2008 9:27:54 AM
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Testing can be a little annoying at first, and I'm not going to lie, I hated doing it.....but it's necessary to maintain a healthy aquarium. I had a red cap oranda goldfish live for 8 years.....they can live even longer. I would recommend a couple of orandas and some moors. The coolest part about goldfish, is that once they get used to their surroudings and you maintaining the aquarium interiorly (scraping away algae or fixing uprooted plants), they will be accustomed to you, and most often, will let you hand feed them or pet them.....for example.....my old goldfish got a parasite that had previously killed one of his tankmates...so we moved him to a quarantine tank in the kitchen, and every morning, we would put him in a massive wine glass (the rim on this thing was huge! It was like, 7 inches in diameter) , pour in a little medicine, take a soft paintbrush, and gently brush away at the parasites. He would just sit there and let us "paintbrush" him. Eventually, the parasites all died off and went away, and Spot let me pet him until he died.

Wow...that was long...

As for tankmates....goldfish are coldwater fish, meaning the can live in freezing waters....as low as 40 degrees...not so much for the fancies though...they may get too cold.....the only fish I would recommend putting with goldfish, is other goldfish (don't mix fancies with regular, as the normal goldfish are much faster and may steal all the food before the fancies even notice) and algae eaters....I would avoid plecos (they're useful, and good with cleanup, but get large and eventually get extremely territorial, going as far as to kill slower moving goldfish...this was the case when I saw my pleco sucking on my bubble-eye goldfish mid-water) I would also avoid a CAEs (Chinese Algae Eaters) and GAEs (Golden Algae Eaters) for this reason - they are very good with depleting algae, but when they get older, they become territorial. Not only that, but they lose their interest in algae, and feed on the mucus on their tankmates' bodies......I would go with an otocinclus or 2. They stay small, and have no record of such monstrosities associated with plecos and CAEs.

Hope that helps!!!

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